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horrific and barbaric rape in india. what will stop it? the star of "slumdog millionaire" freida pinto has an idea. she's our guest. let's go "outfront." good evening, everyone. i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, war in mali. a deadly conflict between al qaeda militants and the government is getting violent. the united states is getting involved. they're threatening to take control of the entire country. the militants' move prompted france to take action over the weekend. they put boots on the ground and went all in, bombing rebel training camps and other targets. so what will the united states do? a pentagon official told me this afternoon that the u.s. will

participate in mali, but, and i want to make sure i put quotes around this, it's still deciding what that looks like. when we went to the mali border last summer, i saw first hand how dangerous the situation is. today, we spoke to some of our sources on the ground, including the military commander of the al qaeda's linked group. he told us that the militants are, in his words, excited and would welcome u.s. troops on the ground. he also said the french bombs have killed civilians and that france is signing a death warrant for french people around the world, opening the gates of hell. omar said the militants will fight to the end and this will be a long war, more dangerous than afghanistan or iraq. we also spoke to a fighter from a tribe who lives in northern mali. you saw him here this summer. he said the fighting in some towns in northern mali has been fierce over the weekend and he said something important for american policymakers to consider. his friends who are not islamists are being paid by omar, the man you saw a moment ago, paid to fight, and they're taking that money and fighting against the french.

the united states has already tried to help mali. united states trained malian army commanders, some of whom defected to fight with the islamists. so if the united states becomes more involved in the war, will islamists threaten the united states directly? >> i think we're all well aware of the requirement to be vigilant about our own security, including in the homeland, but that's why it's so important to get this operation done and get it done right. >> "outfront" tonight, the defense department's former africa counterterrorism director, jeff porter, he has briefed the fbi on the situation, and chris lawrence. our pentagon correspondent. chris, let me start with you. the state department says we have to do the job right. the defense department says the united states will be involved in mali. what are you hearing tonight as far as u.s. intervention? >> they're narrowing down the

option. piloted planes to gather some intelligence is one option. drones, although one official told me those are in very high demand with things going on in yemen and afghanistan, libya and other areas around the world. he said look for possibly some air lift capacity. in other words, big cargo planes that would allow the french to get more equipment to where it's needed in mali, and refueling capability. in other words, the french jets doing some of the bombing, these american refueling tankers could pull up alongside them, and the french jets could refuel in air so they could go longer and further without having to come back to a base. >> interesting options. they're so eager to say there won't be mass combat troops on the ground, that's not on the table at all. rudy, the leader of the islamist

group, one of the commanders we spoke to was full of bravado. i want to make sure i'm using the word we because he won't speak directly to a woman, so i wasn't able to ask those questions directly to him. we asked if he was concerned about u.s. involvement, and the words he used were excitement and he wouldn't answer a direct question when we asked how many fighter do you have. he didn't want to talk about that at all. this lat all. how much of this is bravado and how big of a threat are these rebels? >> the threat is very real. the person you spoke with is a man named omar, with a red beard. the thing is they're all bolstered by al qaeda and the islamic maghreb, and from the beginning, we have seen aqim, for short, how aggressive they can be in algeria. they're responsible in 2007 for two truck bombs that devastated a u.n. building in algiers and one of the justice buildings.

they have had multiple suicide bombings over the years, and these are the guys that are training the militants. so the threat is very real. the other thing is for france, is 10% of the french population is north african, in some generation or another. what we're seeing among the islamists are there are some fighters who have poured in and some have experience fighting in iraq and afghanistan. this is definitely a concern. >> and jeffrey, france surprised a lot of people. the pentagon was clear to tell me, we were giving advance warning of what france was going to do, but there's supposedly been a force getting ready to go in and deal with this. the u.n. said they would be ready in weeks. that's the umpteenth teen we have heard this. why has it taken so long for anyone to get involved? >> i think up until 2012, aqim, i disagree with the other guest, up until 2012, aqim was a marginalized group, it was good at kidnap for ransom, but it wasn't a terrorist organization. the thing that changed that was the in flow of fighters from libya and weapons from libya.

we were caught a little flat footed because of the changing implications of libya or aqim, and subsequently, it has taken time to identify who the right forces to deploy in northern mali would be. >> what about the united states? chris, does the pentagon believe african and french forces can solve the problem and the u.s. is going to keep to its clear intention, which is not to put combat troops on the ground? >> our sources told us there's no plan to put u.s. troops on the ground, but there's concern about what the end game is going to be. they believe some sort of deployment among the french and african union when it gets going could probably dislodge the militants that pushed them back from the territory their gained, but they have also wondered what then. they don't -- they know that the african union can't stay in these towns forever. they say mali's army has already

proven it can't fight these terrorists effectively. >> and obviously, a big black eye for the united states in the terms that they trained so many of these malian commanders, as the "new york times" is writing about today. eric schmidt, who is in the region right now, said they were training a lot of those guys. the united states should have been well aware that people would defect, and defect they did. i spoke to leon panetta last week about mali. i want to play you what he said about going after al qaeda. >> we have to go after al qaeda wherever the hell they're at and make sure they find no place to hide. let's not forget, the main goal of al qaeda is to attack the united states. and we're not going to allow that to happen again. and if we're not going to allow it to happen, we have to go after them. in yemen, in somalia, and yes, in mali if necessary. >> what form of going after them in mali entail? and will this be, as omar is trying to say, a war as dangerous as those united states

fought in iraq and afghanistan, which of course, he's obviously saying for pr reasons in part. >> well, let me start off by saying, you know, i respect what mr. porter said, but aqim, although weak, is still very capable. so it's not something to kind of slough off and forget it's not there. what mr. panetta is actually saying is the spaces where they're actually migrating to, and ie, there's no longer a fight in iraq, a migration back of the north africans fighting in iraq back into this space. they have training camps. i have been watching this for a very long time. they have a level of sophistication with the weapons, and they're very capable. and so the region, we're talking about northern mali, these guys have adequate places for not only training, but areas to hide. in terms of rooting them out, it's focusing on the leadership

that makes up aqim, and the others. >> quick final word to you, jeff, the united states in terms of defining success, what did it learn from iraq and afghanistan? you can't eradicate and make it perfect? >> they're going for containment strategy. if you can walk back aqim in the sahara, not in algeria, but if you can walk them back to where they were in 2008, 2009, 2010, contain them in western mali, that would be a satisfactory outcome for the u.s. and france. >> this may surprise a lot of people. they would think the u.s. would want to get rid of them completely. thanks so much to all of you. we appreciate it and we'll keep following the story. >> still to come, president obama draws a line in the sand and dared republicans to cross it. >> plus, a legendary hacker commits suicide, and his parents say the united states government is to blame. and another woman gang raped in india. what will stop it? freida pinto of "slumdog millionaire" comes "outfront." ♪

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playing chicken with the debt. today, president obama said again, not going to negotiate with republicans about raising the debt ceiling. >> if the republicans in congress have made a decision that they want to shut down the government in order to get their way, then they have a vote in the house of representatives to do that. >> the problem, that's what they say they're going to do.

great to see you birthday. david, the president himself saying, i acknowledge it, a government shut-down is a possibility. cathy mcmorris rogers of washington state told politico, i think it's possible we would shut down the government. so here we are, we're getting to a problem. treasury secretary tim geithner said mid-february/march is as far as he can go. who blinks first? >> this is like one of the situations in the monkey cage at the zoo where the monkeys bang their chests and look as powerful as possible. the president is escalating this situation. no 14th amendment option. do it my way or we plunge the public credit of the united states into bankruptcy. and the republicans are responding equivalently by saying to the president, we're not scared. we're not scared of you. it's very clear at the

republican leadership does not want this kind of a confrontation. john boehner has repeatedly said so. but the president -- but the president is trying to force the appearance of a confrontation in order to magnify the political impact of a republican climb-down when it eventually happens, as it will. >> so daniel, let me ask you, ben bernanke came out today and weighed in on this whole thing in a way that might shock people because he said, you know what, to hell with the debt ceiling, although he said it in ben bernanke style. let me let him say it. >> i think it would be a good thing if we didn't have it. i don't think that's going to happen. >> so would it be better if we didn't have a debt ceiling at all? >> yeah, absolutely it would. this is a silly thing which ought to happen automatically because our debt is going to grow along with our economy from year to year. especially it's going to grow in times when we need to spend a

little more to juice our economy. but you know, bernanke has very little credibility with the republican party because republican leadership last year actually sent letters to him saying stop with your quantitative easing and your other extraordinary measures to juice this economy. they're already angry at him, so him saying we should from the debt ceiling is not going to do anything in congress. >> part of the problem is the debt seems to go up and good times and bad times and no one ever seems to have the courage to cut it, but it's a very bipartisan thing in terms of raising it. 76 times it's been raised since 1962. and the number one president in terms of raising it, the winner is ronald reagan at 17 times. that might shock people who like to see him as the paragon of responsible spending. >> we'll start with the deficit, shrinking more rapidly than at any time since the end of the

korean war. in the end of december, we had a deficit for the month of $260 million, not $260 billion, $260 million. which in washington is almost the budget. that's the smallest monthly deficit in five years. some of that is artificial. people pulling transactions forward because they were afraid of higher tax rates in 2013. but for the first three months of 2013, we have a rapidly shrinking fiscal 2013, we have a rapidly shrinking deficit. so we are in a way chasing a vanishing problem. >> which is interesting, and that would allow for some things that are dirty and things that are not so dirty, would completely perhaps get rid of this problem after a while. do you think we're headed for a full stalemate? >> it's such a shame. i think david is right because we have low debt service right now. we're paying less interest on our debt than we had in the reagan and bush administrations before because interest rates are so low. >> but they're going to go up

one day. >> but not for several years. i'll say it, we should be borrowing more at 30-year, 3% terms, so we can invest in the long-term growth of this economy. this is not the time for further austerity and cuts. if we were even to consider that right now, it would be a disaster. and what we're doing right now as the president correctly said today, is actually making our economy seem more risky and hurting ourselves now even without a default. we're already doing damage today. >> all right, thanks very much to both of you. now, john avlon, cofounder of "no labels," a bipartisan group dedicated to breaking the gridlock in washington. ow viewers who know you should not be no surprised you go by no label, but where do we know from here? >> this is what is so stunning. as you heard david say, this chest pounding is really right now, the fever has got to break or we're going to go over the cliff. congress is the biggest impediment to the economic recovery. erin, i spoke to jon huntsman and joe manchin, and asked them what they think about how we got here and how we go forward.

>> we have forgotten how to do the art of the deal. it's been so long since this government has put together any kind of deal between parties. heaven forbid the next generation come up thinking this is the normal way forward. this is not the normal way forward. this represents a broken system. >> if we quit thinking about the next election and start thinking about the next generation, we're going to make it through our lives just fine. it's what we're living behind. and they're going to have to come together sooner or later. >> there you heard it. it's the short term thinking creating potentially huge long-term costs for the american economy. >> the down grading of the u.s. economy was a huge problem. of course, it hasn't yet resulted in higher interest rates. a lot of people might say, look, who cares? let's be complacent. let's not worry about another downgrade. who cares? do people get it, in washington, that's it's important?

>> it almost seems to be an afterthought in all of the chest thumping and bargaining, no one is thinking about it because the short-term impact of a default would be extraordinary. maybe we shouldn't call this the debt ceiling at all. maybe we should change it the downgrade ceiling because this game of chicken is sick. >> sometimes semantics can make all the difference. breaking news. "usa today" is reporting that lance armstrong has confessed to using performance enhancing drugs. i am looking at just rapped with lance armstrong, 2 1/2 hours. he came ready. what he did tell her? >> he confessed to doping in his cycling career. the interview just wrapped.

and there is a confidentiality agreement about the show. it won't air until thursday. the plan all along was to use the venue to confess. make an admission about doping in his cycling career. something he's never done before. he's denied it for years and attacked those who accused him of it for years. >> significant development. >> attacked and attacked aggressively. denied allegations so many times. many people who thought there was no way he could tell the truth believed him. the power and passion in which he denied it. now he has admitted to something, now that you confirmed that he has, what happens now? will he face perjury charges that will cost him an incredible amount of money? >> last time he testified underoath and denied taking performance enhancing drugs was in 2005. in texas, a lawsuit in texas, and that was seven years ago, so that's beyond the statute of limitations as i understand it.

so i think he's clear from. the federal government considered prosecuting him for fraud, dropped that case without explanation in february. i don't think he's at risk there. but on the civil level, civil lawsuits, he certainly faces considerable liability in the tens of millions of dollars. so i think their strategy there with lance and his lawyers is that they can deal with it, negotiate, and settle. deal with it as it comes. >> you report that lance armstrong is trying to reconcile with floyd landis. that relationship has got to be, i don't know, icy, rocky, i don't know what words to use to possibly describe it. is this surprising to you? are they going to make up? >> i don't know if they will make up. lance, it's in his interests to try. and they have hated each other

for years, so it will take some ti time, but floyd landis has filed a federal whistleblower suit against lance armstrong allegedlyialleging that he defrauded the u.s. postal service out of millions of dollars. so if lance is able to reconcile with floyd, perhaps floyd could be influenced to drop the suit. floyd is hostile toward lance because of the way he attacked him and portrayed him as a fraud for such a long time. so that's something that it's going to take time to mend some fences. who knows if it willer be repaired, that relationship. but the strategy for the armstrong camp at this point, by coming forward now and finally confessing, it's long term. they do not expect forgiveness overnight. they do not expect people to drop their grudges against him overnight. they are looking at a five-year,

ten-year process where they hope history will judge him favorably and starting with his confession today. >> thank you, brett. and "usa today" reporting tonight that lance armstrong confessed to oprah winfrey he used performance-enhancing dr s drugs. "outfront" next, a legendary hacker and activist commits suicide and his parents blame and another woman gang raped in india. and frieda pinto talks about her own experience and what it will take to change the system forever. my doctor told me calcium

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welcome back to the second half of "outfront." we start with stories we care about where we focus on reporting from the front lines and we begin with a 16-year-old who has pleaded not guilty to charges he shot at his class mate. brian oliver is being charged as an adult for last week's shooting in taft high school in california. he allegedly shot and injured two people, one seriously. john ronis tells us he's not surprised prosecutors are charging him azine adult because if he's convicted, the penalties are much higher than if he were charged as a juvenile. >> and we now know why the cause

of death on natalie wood's autopsy report has been changed. this is amazing after all this time. they said she had fresh bruises on her arm when she died. those marks combined with all of the questions about her mysterious death led to the coroner making the change. the sheriff's department said the case is still open. the author of a book which pointed out inconsistencies in the original autopsy report tells us she hopes that ms. wood will finally receive the justice she deserves. >> and former president george h.w. bush has been released from a texas hospital. he first went into the hospital in october because of brawn kites and he has to stay. he just needs physical therapy. >> and we have just learned tonight when secretary of state hillary clinton will testify about the attack on the american consulate in benghazi. house foreign affairs secretary

has announced clinton will testify before the house on january 23rd. she'll talk about why the attack wasn't better anticipated and what leadership failures existed at the state department. >> it's been 529 days since the u.s. lost its top credit rating. what are we doing to try to get it back? ben bernanke said he's cautiously optimistic about the next few years. that's a ringing endorsement. and now our third story "outfront." fingerprints wanting. martin o'malley proposed a sweeping gun law. what it is going to do is submit gun owners to fingerprinting. it will ban assault weapons and high-capacity magazines, require gun safety courses and background checks. he goes further than his democratic governor, and anthony

o'donnell tells "outfront" the reality is martin o'malley is trying to get to the left of cuomo in new york because he wants to run for president in 2016. eric, former obama administration official rosa brooks, and our legal analyst, paul cowin. martin o'malley not the only politician who has 2016 ambitions who is stepping out in the gun law fray. louisiana republican governor bobby jindal wants a law to keep guns away from the mentally ill. how much is this push really about positioning for 2016? >> i think some of it definitely is about 2016. some of it is they want to be doing something. they hope if they're seen as doing something now, by 2016, the particulars may be forgotten, particularly by gun rights advocates and a lot in the democratic party as well as the republican party.

they'll look at them as doing something. i don't think we should downplay that a lot of democrats for a long time have wanted to do something about guns. with the incident in sandy hook and this past summer's incident in colorado, they feel they have momentum on their side. >> house minority leader anthony o'donnell is from the eastern shore of the state. that's where i grew up. there are a lot of people there who are passionate about their guns. i was there this weekend and i never heard so many guns going off. he said none of the gun proposals would appear to have prevented the tragedy in newtown. he adds, this looks like crass opportunism from politicians who want gun control. o'malley said this is not about political gain. it's about public safety. he does have a point that these new laws would prevent newtown, and newtown is sparking this conversation. >> newtown is sparking the conversation, but it's not the

only gun violence issue the united states has to grapple with. it's an opening. on the one hand, i agree. you can't be too cynical when it comes to politicians. i'm sure all of these guys are thinking about 2016. that said, i think governors in particular have an incentive to care about gun rules because states are often the ones who bear the cost of gun violence. it's the emergency room treatment, law enforcement, et cetera. they're the ones who pay the bills. >> it's a fair point. paul, let me ask you when you look at the facts of it, you look at maryland, already a state that is pretty solid. it only ranked fifth in firearm murders. current maryland law, magazines of 20 rounds cannot be sold. you can own them, though, which appears to be a loophole. you have to have a background check when you buy a regulated gun, and buyers must take a safety course online. will that make the laws tougher? >> it won't make a difference. when you get back to the sandy hook elementary school, you have a high capacity clip being used in a semiautomatic assault

rifle. nun of these proposals except for new york which bans all of these, but none of these other proposals would prevent a relatively high capacity clip or a semiautomatic rifle. and the truth is in the details. they say, oh, we're going to ban assault rifles. well, define an assault rifle. you look it up to see what the definition is. it's a rifle that's a military-style rifle. what does that mean? in the end, what you have to ban is a semiautomatic rifle, one where when you pull the trigger, you can fire numerous rounds in a fairly short period of time. and nobody is proposing that. so i'm not so sure that any of these proposals are anything but cosmetic. >> all right, eric, it's not just the democrats. as i mentioned, governor bobby jindal has also put something forth focusing on mental health, and chris christie has been open about the fact when i have heard him speak in public, he is way

left of the republican party when it comes to gun control and he's proud of the fact that new jersey has among the toughest laws in the country on gun control. is this a message that they have woken up to the fact that more than half americans support stricter gun control after newtown? >> you know, it depends on where the message shifts. i think republicans like bobby jindal are shifting it in the direction it needs to go, which is mental health. as we just heard, most of these laws wouldn't have done anything to prevent sandy hook. but between what happened in arizona, colorado, and sandy hook, mental health issues are a big player in those. and let's not forget handguns. they kill more people than assault rifles and semiautomatic rifles. >> mayor bloomberg said something i want to quote. gun laws matter because states with strong gun laws tend to receive illegal guns and states with weak gun laws tend to export them.

if that's the case, you keep getting tougher laws, it increases the market for black markets. >> this is absolutely true. in the end, you have to look at a national form of legislation that would restrict high capacity clips and maybe semiautomatic weapons, but the political will to pass that legislation, i just don't think is there. so much of the country believes in rifles and having the ability to have a semiautomatic weapon. i'm not so sure you'll get the votes to pass that kind of legislation. >> will andrew cuomo become the face of gun legislation in america if he's able to pass what new york now has on the table, which would go from already being one of the toughest states to being even tougher? >> it's clearly what he wants to do. if i can get back to the earlier point, i think, yes, having tight gun control laws in a particular state can spike the

black market, but there's a strong correlation twine the overall level of gun deaths and the gun control laws in a particular state. states with tighter gun control legislation have fewer homicides. hard to piece the quasi-ation to the correlation, but it does have an impact. the real irony, you ask if the republican party -- the republican party is to the left of the republican party on gun control. the republican voters are much more strongly supportive of gun control than their leaders are. >> interesting point. thanks very much to all of you. >> now our fourth story out front. suicide of a tech giants. erin schwartz is a name you may or not be familiar with. he was found dead in his new york city apartment on friday night. he's bed known as the creator of reddit. it's one of the most powerful tools online for sharing information. he was also remembered as a hacker, as a programmer, and as an activist, and his parents are now putting the blame for his suicide on the u.s. government and one of the most prestigious universities in the united states. dan simon is "outfront." >> a brilliant computer programmer. a world-class university, and a

federal prosecutor. a three-way collision that some speculate led to a deepening depression for 26-year-old aaron schwartz. schwartz was best known as the co founder of reddit, a widely used social news and entertainment website built around user submitted content. president obama even used reddit to reach more than 5 million voters in his re-election campaign. most of them young people. in his short live, he became a folk hero, pushing to make web content free. but with prosecutors pressing serious charges, schwartz hanged himself friday in his brooklyn apartment. his lawyer said he doesn't know what put him over the edge, but the notion of prison time had him deeply worried. >> i know this case was weighing heavily on his mind and was a significant source of stress for him. >> the freedom to connect, like freedom of speech or like the freedom to murder. >> the case stemming from schwartz's passionate believe for a wide open, free internet. it dates back to july 2011 when he was indicted on charges of stealing millions of academic articles and journals from a

digital archive at m.i.t. the charges could have landed him in prison for up to 35 years along with a million dollar fine. >> i think they tried to turn a mole's hill into a mountain. in the kind of old time language. they really tried to make a federal case out of it. >> the archive network declined to press charges. nonetheless, the government proceeded. schwartz's family released this statement. aaron's death is not simply a personal tragedy. it's the product of a criminal justice system rife with intimidation and prosecutorial overreach. decisions made by officials in the massachusetts u.s. attorney's office and at m.i.t. contributed to his death. m.i.t.'s president said the school is launching an investigation to examine its role in the prosecution. when the boston-based u.s.

attorney first announced the indictment, the press release said quote, stealing is stealing, whether you use a computer command or a crowbar, and whether you take documents, data, or dollars. the u.s. attorney's office in massachusetts has now formally dropped the charges against schwartz. they said he died on january 11th, 2013. dan simon, cnn, san francisco. >> all right, another week, another gang rape in india. the victim this time left hanging from a tree and no one has been arrested. the star of "slumdog millionaire" frieda pinto is "outfront" next to talk about her own experience and what can stop it. then a story that is going to remind you about your favorite teacher and why you loved that person so much. night it can be frustrating. it's hard to turn off and go back to sleep. intermezzo is the first and only prescription sleep aid approved for use as needed in the middle of the night when you can't get back to sleep. it's an effective sleep medicine you don't take before bedtime. take it in bed only when you need it

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>> fifth story "outfront." two more cases of gang rape in india. one shockingly similar to the brutal rape and murder last month of a 23-year-old woman, a story that captured the world's attention. six suspects now have been arrested in the gang rape of a 29-year-old who was taking the bus to her family's village on friday night. the bus driver and conductor are among the accused. and in another case, a woman traveling with her 10-year-old son to new delhi was dragged off a train, gang raped, strangled, and then hanged. no arrests have been reported in this truly brutal attack. freida pinto is famous for her role in "slumdog millionaire" and she's speaking out against

these horrific crimes. these stories, the most recent two, horrific stories of rape. a woman hanged. as a woman growing up in india, do these stories shock you? >> growing up in india, i remember picking up the newspaper almost every day, and by the time you reach the fourth and the fifth page, there would be a little column in the corner that would be dedicated to a rape case that was reported. and the sad part is that those rape cases are just reported and there was no follow-up after that. it kind of made me wonder as a girl growing up in india if forever as a girl i would have to live in the fear of this might just happen to me. >> and i know that you found out about the rape of the 23-year-old woman, the one that has galvanized the world and caused so many protests in india. you were landing in bombay, you had been in a film festival in

dubai. what was your reaction to that? were you surprised when that rape, given what you said about it being in the paper every day, that rape was the one that inspired and motivated people? >> in a way, actually, i was -- what was shocking was the reaction. and i think it was a very appropriate and much required reaction. would have been wonderful if it happens many, many years ago, but the fact it happened finally is what is really important. i hope these voices don't die out because what happens in situations like i was telling you, even growing up, just reading about them and you read them every day, and it's sickening to read them every day, to the point you don't want to read it after a while. and i hope it doesn't reach a stage as that, that you kind of let it pass. you want something to be done, and these voices cannot be shut down anymore. and the youth are so powerful, so they need to continue. >> i want to talk a little about your upbringing. first, to let everyone know, this has been a part of what you

are and what you have been fighting for. professionally, you played a victim of sexual violence in two roles. you're treated as property, and i want to play a clip where you got your face sliced in that film. here it is. it's horrific just to watch it, you get goosebumps and it's a dramatized event. when you look at that, is that dramatized or is that a reflection of reality? >> denigration of women in society, in a misogynistic society is not uncommon. it's heard of, and it happens not just in india, but it happens in so many parts of the world. us women as actors, we portray these roles in the hope that someone will listen and want to make a change and not just a film role that was played and then forgotten or just praised for the performance of how good it was. >> i know you experienced firsthand, the fear of men.

and i know your mother did also. >> one of her first horrifying experiences was when she was traveling, and she had one of these men on a delivery bike decided to kick her in the chest for a good feel, if you please, and he sped away with a laugh on his face. and my mother was so petrified, so shocked, she did not know how to react at that point in time, so she decided to carry stones in her bag so she could attack him the next time she saw him. you never really think it could happen to you, right? so you continue with your everyday life. it's not about the dress you wear because -- or the kind of clothes you wear because how would you then explain the rape of a 4-year-old child or a 65-year-old woman? you wouldn't be able to explain that. so you continue living thinking i'm going to be fine. and then one fine day, you're just marked for such brutality.

>> we keep hearing that the young woman's rape will spark change in india, but the two rapes that have happened since that horrific act are barbaric also. i guess the question is, do you think anything will change or will there just be an outcry and it will essentially go back to the way it was before? >> you know, erin, i love being an optimist, even in situations like this, because that's all you can do after a while. as soon as you become cynical, you kind of end up living a life of extreme dread and fear as well. and i want to be hopeful, so i want to live in the hope that this change can happen. it's not going to happen overnight, and we are not going to be idealists about that. it's going to take time, but that's why i feel we cannot be once again put into a situation of forced amnesia. we need to keep this fight alive. we need to keep the protest alive. >> freida, thank you very much for taking the time to share all your thoughts with us. >> thank you so much. thank you, erin. and still to come, the "outfront" team crashes a birthday party.

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we've all had teachers who made a huge difference in our lives, but we don't always have the opportunity to say thank you. one school was able to do just that this weekend when they honored the woman they call granny. agnes is the home ec teacher in a school in new jersey. she's worked at the school for 17 years teaching the children

how to cook and sew. the staff and students at the school adore her and affectionately refer to her as granny. the nickname comes from the fact granny is 95 years olds. for six decades, she worked at home as a wife and mother. she didn't even start teaching until a position came open in 1985. she was 82 years old when she first started teaching. since then, she's had a huge impact on students' lives. hundreds attended, they presented her with a quilt, a cake, and 99 red balloons. and they spoke at length about what granny means to them. they also performed, singing, dancing, playing instruments and rapping. one boy even stripped down to his undershirt for a spirited version of "i feel good" and it was all for granny. after the end of the party after well wishers hugged and thanked her, we had a chance to talk to granny about why she's still working.

>> i saw people younger than me, and they stay home, but i don't have to stay home. i get up and come here, and the children come in and see me. they want to know what we're making today. that's the only reason why i come here, is the children. my advice? just be happy, i guess. just do what you have to do to take care of kids. here's the granny and to all of the teachers you had and we had that made us into the people we are. for more of granny's celebration, including the performances, and trust us, some of these you want to see at length, visit our blog at cnn.com/outfront. check out my new treadmill app.

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